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which is a charitable group of academics.

I started it with David Grush and Peter Scafish.

David, of course, had to leave because he had governmental responsibilities he wanted to go take care of.

And actually, we've now had for three years in a row a symposium, first at Stanford, then at San Francisco, and the next one is now in Italy.

So I'm going to plug it, sol2025.org.

You can go look if you want to go to it.

Sol, S-O-L?

S-O-L, as in the sign.

2025.org.

And the purpose of that was not to advocate that any of this is real, but was to create an environment within which academics or professionals or just lay people interested in the subject matter could come and talk about it in a very professional manner.

right just to bounce around ideas not to advocate for you know they're here or they're reptilians or they're this or that but to like some of the things you raised what are the ethical issues what are the religious issues so we have put out a number of white papers for instance where we had a member of the catholic hierarchy write a paper on the issues related to catholicism and religion we've had

Timothy Galladay, who's actually on our advisory committee, talked about USOs and those issues.

We talked about near-space issues.

Peter is running a study on experiencers.

Not that the experiences are necessarily real, but what are the kinds of psychosocial experiences

matters that need to be considered for people who say that this has happened to them.

So there is a group in the UK called Unhidden, which is basically a bunch of psychiatrists, a group of professional psychiatrists who say, okay, well, there's a trauma associated with this.

Whether it's real or not, we don't know.

But what are the kinds of rules that we should or provisions that we should provide to the public and to psychiatrists?

So when somebody shows up at your doorstep in therapy and says this, you shouldn't immediately reach for the anti-hysteria or schizophrenia drugs.