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What they are, we don't know.

But can you imagine the scenario of what happened as they were being buried?

Could you make a film of the ceremonial burial of these things?

What led to their death?

What led to their placement there?

Or if they were constructed, which I have a hard time with given the MRIs that we've all seen, et cetera, what led to it?

And so that to me is as almost interesting as to whether or not they're real or not.

Is it an homage to the ancestors or to the stories of the ancestors, et cetera?

So I just ask my scientific colleagues to not suspend disbelief but to open your minds as to the possibility of what these things might mean and just try to explain them without dismissing them because it's so easy and politics, we see it every day.

All you need to do is just give any answer.

even if it's obviously flagrantly wrong, just as a way to deflect.

And so you can either use that approach.

You shouldn't use that approach ever as a scientist, deflect, which unfortunately is what someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson often does.

And as opposed to try to explain in a way that teaches your audience the right way to think.

So I worked with him on one of those pieces.

I got the atomic imaging of some of that.

And it's, oh God, I'm blanking on the event, but it was the Sirocco event.

In, I think, New Mexico.

I'm going to get in trouble for not knowing exactly.

But