Spencer Pratt

The villain, when you're part of a franchise, works.

If you're just doing a one-off, you're gonna get those hits, you're gonna get those views, you are gonna not get

Followers, because a lot of people do this, get followers.

People, when it really comes down to it, people don't follow people they don't like.

Yeah, there's people that'll follow to hate and just be like send, you know, they'll ghost follow you to like troll and be like, but the goal of fame is for people to genuinely like you, to want to be connected to you, to want to live through you, through experiences.

So if you go on a show, you're going to go on a dating show.

You're going to get that boom, little pop.

Everyone's like, oh, I saw you on the show.

if you wanna keep being connected to fame and attention, there's not a, and I learned that the hard way.

If you are a villain, but it's from like,

like back to Simon Cowell.

He was a villain, but it had heart behind it.

So like, if I could go back to being a villain, I would have been way more cautious.

Like, you know who did a great as a villain is like a Scott Disick.

People just, he just said what he was thinking.

A lot of times it was the truth.

You know, he also didn't have them editing against him.

It's harder.

if there's an agenda to like, literally, like there was a deal in place with LC to make Heidi and Spencer the worst human beings are to keep LC going.

Oh, really?