We Staged Our Paparazzi Photos And Split The Money! We're Talking Reality TV "Villains"
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to We're Talking.
How did The Hills change the landscape of reality TV?
In this episode, Spencer Pratt and Harry Jowsey pull back the curtain on the reality TV machine, from staged storylines and villain edits to the strategy behind turning screen time into fame.
I feel like The Hills blurred this line between, is it real? It's like it ushered in what we call now structured reality, right?
What was Spencer Pratt's strategy for gaining fame on reality TV?
I think it was like the first prominent show to do that. So what I'm wondering is that when you were going into a scene, how structured was the scene? How produced was the scene? Heidi, her first season, she was as real as can be, no struck doing, you know, maybe they structured her job and put her in the school that she couldn't afford, even though they had LC, they paid for LCs and then it made it so Heidi couldn't afford it. So she had to drop out and kind of without Heidi knowing, they were structuring being, you know, so she wasn't in play on it. I mean, this is blowing my mind because even you getting into the show, you orchestrated that.
Why did The Hills come to an end and what were the regrets?
There's so many people that you could go right now and go have dinner with them Witnesses with the whole plan and it went too far obviously because as you get deeper you you're like, you know You've got to keep pushing the envelope of making TV and as a real person you're now sabotaging your existence Yeah, you know, that's why I never you know, even though when I lost the plot I didn't lose the plot because I It was the same path I always plan to go down. You gotta be the Simon Cowell. And I didn't watch whatever Simon Cowell was. I'm like, who's Simon Cowell? Everybody hates him.
What insights does Harry Jowsey share about Too Hot to Handle?
I was like, that's easy. I should have known, but I was dumb. The Simon Cowell can be that because he's telling people that suck at something the truth. And sometimes the truth comes off, ah, like, but he's still telling you don't quit your day job because he knows you got no chance. So I didn't have that grounding for my behavior so it didn't let the audience be like, oh, he's just doing that.
How did reality TV impact Harry's career trajectory?
Because they believe, people believe the show was real. So when you said it was the first where people were like, is it real? I never experienced anybody to this day. People are finally now like, oh, really? But at the time, nobody thought it was fake. Right. Yeah, yeah. No, no, I'm with you. Oh, yeah. It was like, I remember when I used to watch wrestling when I was a little boy. I was like, oh, this is real. Like, you know, WWF. I was like, this is real. It wasn't until much later.
What tactics did Spencer and Heidi use with paparazzi?
I was like, oh my God, they're staging all this. I think it was the same way with The Hills. It was. Yeah. People took it way too serious. Also, my biggest mistake. or not, I never watched one episode until two years ago when I was making like some TikTok series where I was showing all the Frankenbiting, how, if you don't know what Frankenbiting is, it's where right now you can film the back of my head talking to you and then I'll go do a voiceover and we put a whole new sentence to what I was saying to you in post. Or I call Heidi right now, but then they have somebody else on the other end in the footage. So I'm saying all this stuff.
What psychological effects does reality TV have on contestants?
Oh, Heidi, I love you. So beautiful. And they put some other woman in the edit and she's like, oh, you shouldn't be saying. So that's the type of stuff. So years later, I was like, I'm gonna make a TikTok series. But I didn't even know how bad it was. What they were really doing. I thought I was the puppet master, but I was just full puppet. You were full puppet. I was getting played. So that was the joke on me. Yeah. And at what moment do you first realize from the public's reaction of how they're seeing you show up, like your character show up? I remember once we were sitting at my favorite, now Burndown, but Cafe Vida in the Palisades early on. And we're sitting eating some breakfast quesadillas or whatever and a car goes by and all these girls are screaming, fuck.
yeah, flicking, I was like, oh wow. But at the time, I was like, dang, I'm so famous. You know, because it was still that type of, that's when you, when people are yelling at you out a window, you are like, you did it.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:02
2
How did The Hills change the landscape of reality TV?
0:02–0:40
3
What was Spencer Pratt's strategy for gaining fame on reality TV?
0:40–1:21
4
Why did The Hills come to an end and what were the regrets?
1:21–1:58
5
What insights does Harry Jowsey share about Too Hot to Handle?
1:58–2:23
6
How did reality TV impact Harry's career trajectory?
2:23–2:51
7
What tactics did Spencer and Heidi use with paparazzi?
2:51–3:33
8
What psychological effects does reality TV have on contestants?
3:33–27:20
Speakers
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