Stacey Dash

It was more like Art Garfunkel.

Is that really it?

Yeah.

Engelbert Humperdinck is a guy who invented, was it, no, wrote Hansel and Gretel, was that, or invented barbed wire, one of those two things.

Yeah.

Especially if you're setting on a cool name.

Well, you know what it was?

Actually, Cat Stevens was the exact moment.

In England in 1963, 4, 5, 6, 7, there were all these gay managers who were taking every pretty guy, like Cat Stevens or Tom Jones or Engelbert Humperdinck, giving them names, putting them in a suit with tight-fitting pants, giving them an image.

That was like those British gay guys were the ones shaping rock history and trousers.

They're like...

Father and son, I stood with Yusuf, and this is after years of him not talking to anybody other than other sort of religious guys.

And we went to the home where he lived.

He grew up in Leicester Square, which is like Times Square.

It's total middle of London sort of showbiz district.

And his father ran a cafe and was a sort of – and you've sensed – I think he had a real – he had real issues with his dad.

I mean obviously that sort of come through in that song.

He didn't – and he grew up in that show business thing.

And I think he wanted – that's why the whole religious thing is partly his –

Getting as far away from that thing he sort of felt in the middle of – I don't know.