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Stacy Lee

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1023 total appearances

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Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

It's like a stick that looks like a Y. And you find water and the stick drops down and points to our waters in the ground. And he was arrested many times for swindling people and telling them that he could find water on their property. That was a big deal back then to have a well on your property. He was arrested for writing bad banknotes. He was arrested for selling magic rocks and crystals.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

It's like a stick that looks like a Y. And you find water and the stick drops down and points to our waters in the ground. And he was arrested many times for swindling people and telling them that he could find water on their property. That was a big deal back then to have a well on your property. He was arrested for writing bad banknotes. He was arrested for selling magic rocks and crystals.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

It's like a stick that looks like a Y. And you find water and the stick drops down and points to our waters in the ground. And he was arrested many times for swindling people and telling them that he could find water on their property. That was a big deal back then to have a well on your property. He was arrested for writing bad banknotes. He was arrested for selling magic rocks and crystals.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

He was a con artist. He was a folk magician, you know, and the church doesn't like that origin story. And so they changed it. The other thing that the church changed, and I did not find this out until much later on in my adulthood, is that Joseph Smith actually told 12 different versions, 10 or 12, depending on who you ask, different versions of what is called the first vision.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

He was a con artist. He was a folk magician, you know, and the church doesn't like that origin story. And so they changed it. The other thing that the church changed, and I did not find this out until much later on in my adulthood, is that Joseph Smith actually told 12 different versions, 10 or 12, depending on who you ask, different versions of what is called the first vision.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

He was a con artist. He was a folk magician, you know, and the church doesn't like that origin story. And so they changed it. The other thing that the church changed, and I did not find this out until much later on in my adulthood, is that Joseph Smith actually told 12 different versions, 10 or 12, depending on who you ask, different versions of what is called the first vision.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And that is when he goes into the woods and God and Jesus appear to him. First, he said it was a pillar of fire. Then it was an angel. Then it was an angel and God. Then it was God and a pillar of fire. He tells all these different versions. And the version that the church teaches is not a version that he actually told.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And that is when he goes into the woods and God and Jesus appear to him. First, he said it was a pillar of fire. Then it was an angel. Then it was an angel and God. Then it was God and a pillar of fire. He tells all these different versions. And the version that the church teaches is not a version that he actually told.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And that is when he goes into the woods and God and Jesus appear to him. First, he said it was a pillar of fire. Then it was an angel. Then it was an angel and God. Then it was God and a pillar of fire. He tells all these different versions. And the version that the church teaches is not a version that he actually told.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

So when I got about 14 years old and I was already kind of in trouble at school sometimes and stuff, I just I just was a bad kid. Later on, I was diagnosed with ADD and high functioning autism, and I just didn't know how to act in school. And I remember going to church one Sunday and there was a kid in our ward. He lived across the street from me named Sean Williams.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

So when I got about 14 years old and I was already kind of in trouble at school sometimes and stuff, I just I just was a bad kid. Later on, I was diagnosed with ADD and high functioning autism, and I just didn't know how to act in school. And I remember going to church one Sunday and there was a kid in our ward. He lived across the street from me named Sean Williams.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

So when I got about 14 years old and I was already kind of in trouble at school sometimes and stuff, I just I just was a bad kid. Later on, I was diagnosed with ADD and high functioning autism, and I just didn't know how to act in school. And I remember going to church one Sunday and there was a kid in our ward. He lived across the street from me named Sean Williams.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

He passed on in a very tragic accident years later. But I used him as an example. And they were telling this story. And I said, so if Sean went into the woods, went into Cedar Mountain and said he saw God and Jesus and came back down off the mountain and told us all that he is the one and only true prophet and we all have to follow him, you guys would laugh at him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

He passed on in a very tragic accident years later. But I used him as an example. And they were telling this story. And I said, so if Sean went into the woods, went into Cedar Mountain and said he saw God and Jesus and came back down off the mountain and told us all that he is the one and only true prophet and we all have to follow him, you guys would laugh at him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

He passed on in a very tragic accident years later. But I used him as an example. And they were telling this story. And I said, so if Sean went into the woods, went into Cedar Mountain and said he saw God and Jesus and came back down off the mountain and told us all that he is the one and only true prophet and we all have to follow him, you guys would laugh at him.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And I remember my Sunday school teacher's face, like the color kind of drained out of his face. And he stood up and grabbed me by my arm and yanked me out into the hall. And he was a great big bear of a man and stood over me like, you know, pointing down at me. I just I remember his face being right in my face. How dare you compare Sean to the prophet? And how dare you question this story?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And I remember my Sunday school teacher's face, like the color kind of drained out of his face. And he stood up and grabbed me by my arm and yanked me out into the hall. And he was a great big bear of a man and stood over me like, you know, pointing down at me. I just I remember his face being right in my face. How dare you compare Sean to the prophet? And how dare you question this story?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And I remember my Sunday school teacher's face, like the color kind of drained out of his face. And he stood up and grabbed me by my arm and yanked me out into the hall. And he was a great big bear of a man and stood over me like, you know, pointing down at me. I just I remember his face being right in my face. How dare you compare Sean to the prophet? And how dare you question this story?

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And how dare you this? And it was just this kind of breakthrough moment for me that just never left me. I just was like, oh, okay, I'm not allowed to question anything. I'm not allowed to... Or theorize or say, what if this happened again? Or it's keep your mouth shut, toe the line and keep your head down, do the work and don't ask questions. And I'm not wired that way.

Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Why I Left The Mormon Church...

And how dare you this? And it was just this kind of breakthrough moment for me that just never left me. I just was like, oh, okay, I'm not allowed to question anything. I'm not allowed to... Or theorize or say, what if this happened again? Or it's keep your mouth shut, toe the line and keep your head down, do the work and don't ask questions. And I'm not wired that way.