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Chapter 1: What was Stacy's experience growing up in a devout Mormon family?
He was arrested for writing bad bank notes, selling magic rocks and crystals. He was a con artist. This is literally how every cult starts. Every cult is started by... So I was born into a very devout Mormon family. My parents are still devout. Some of my sisters are still devout. Most of my cousins and aunts and uncles and everyone else is still devout.
So when I left, it caused a little bit of heartache. But growing up in the church in the 70s and 80s was a lot different than it is now. It's always hard to know how much detail I want to go into. There's a lot of conversation right now in Mormonism about bishops' interviews.
So when you're a kid, you have somebody that is assigned to be when you're a Mormon, you have someone that's assigned to be the bishop of the ward. And it can be like the guy that owns the tire store or the UPS driver. And the church regional directors supposedly are inspired by God to call who they want to be the bishop. And when you're a kid, you have to have bishops interviews.
You have to go in and talk to the bishop and he asks you questions. You're alone with this man in this room who can just be, like I say, a school teacher, you know, anybody. My dad's been a bishop several times. And most of these men are very good men.
I always, it breaks my heart a little bit when I see people really bashing the church because the church is, everyone always focuses on the bad people in every situation. You know that. I don't have to tell you that.
I'm Catholic, so.
A hundred percent. There can be, you know, 10,000 good people and 1,000, people that are not so good, or even a hundred people that are not so good. And that's what gets all the focus. And it's the same way in Mormonism. Well, growing up, I was a wild, kind of a wild child. I've always had a very loud voice. I'm, you know, I sing and I was a performer and I was a little boy crazy.
And the bishops knew that about me. And they knew I was one of those girls that they could maybe ask a You know, that were not appropriate to be asking a child. Some bishops never did this, but I had two in particular from the time I was a little girl until the time I was older that would ask very inappropriate questions. You know, are you kissing boys? Are you using your tongue?
And even farther than that. And they would use the word back then, the word, this word makes my skin crawl. They would use the word petting. Oh, I just hate that word. But that was the word that they use. I don't know if that came from your culture too, but.
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Chapter 2: What are bishops' interviews and why are they controversial?
But the Mormons don't want to talk about that. You know how religious people like to cherry pick their scriptures and the parts they're going to listen to and the parts they don't. It also says no meat except in times of famine, but they don't pay attention to that. So I struggled with that as I got older. And then, um, as was my duty as the Bishop's daughter, I got knocked up in high school.
They always joke, you know, that the Bishop's daughters are the wildest kids. I got pregnant when I was 17. Um, my first husband was 23. at the time. Uh, so we got married, I dropped out of school. I was the drill master on the drill team at the time I was the, um, you know, involved in all kinds of school activities, uh, had this whole future planned out and laid out for me.
And suddenly I was a 17 year old with a baby. And, um, I dragged my husband to church with me. He had never really gone. He's what we call inactive. He was a member of the church, but wasn't raised in the church. He didn't go to church. So then we went through the temple. And I don't know how much you know about the Mormon temple. Have you seen any of the videos online?
No, it's like the temple is like the church, right?
No, the church is where you go every Sunday for church meetings. The temple is where you're only allowed to go if you have a temple recommend. Now, this is also a very important hallmark of a cult. A cult always has an unquestioning leader at the top that you cannot go against. You cannot backtalk them. You cannot ask questions of them.
Another hallmark of a cult is that there is always a segment of glory. deification or superiority that not all members have access to. And Mormonism is very much a cult in this way. In order to go to the temple, you have to be a full tithe payer. So you have to give 10% of your gross, not your net income, to the church. You know, the Mormon church has like $160 billion. Mm-mm. Yes, it does.
This just came out a few years ago. The church, the internet for the Mormon church has been very, very bad.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Joseph Smith story in Mormonism?
Apostate means that you are cast from the eyes of God. In Mormon's eyes, if they're true believers, they believe that I am what's called a son of perdition and I will be cast into hell. I will never be able to be in the presence of God because I have denied my testimony. They believe that I had a testimony at one point. I went to the temple. I was a believer and now I'm not anymore.
And so I'm an apostate and I'm a son of perdition and will never be in the presence of God. So it's pretty heavy. If you, you know, if I were to still believe all of that, Mormons have a really high suicide rate. Mormons have a really high, I think we have the highest addiction to opioids in the country. Utah does. We have the highest use of antidepressants in the country.
And we have the highest amount of teen suicide. I think it's, I don't even think it's teen. I think it's under the age of 21 suicide in the country, in Utah.
Hmm.
Because anyone who's gay or queer is, they're killing themselves.
I mean, at some point you would think the church would have to kind of go.
You'd think with all the blood on their hands, but they haven't done that so far. Yeah.
We're going to have to loosen the reins on this here.
It's, you know, they come out and they say things like, everyone is welcome here. Well, no. As long as you don't get married, if you're queer, as long as you don't bring a partner to church, as long as you stay celibate and live your life alone and don't tell anyone you're gay. I mean, the amount of gay friends that I have, I have all my most of my friends are gay men that are closest to me.
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Chapter 5: What led Stacy to question and eventually leave the Mormon Church?
So we're going somewhere and I'm following the I'm following the map. And I go, and as I'm driving, I said, well, what does it say? How far is it? And she leans into the map to look at it, to kind of like move it around to see how far or something. And she starts to do it. And when I would get a text notification, it would drop down. And the girl's name was Jen.
It went, and Jen, hey, what are you doing? My wife was like, she goes, she goes, turn around. I said, I'm not turning around.
Did you get your ass chewed?
I'm not turning around. You can leave from the restaurant if you want, but I'm going to get breakfast. Yeah. She was okay by the time we got there, but that always kills me. She's so mad.
i i yeah you're it was what's what do they say from friends we were on a break we're on a break oh ross um yeah they really run your life oh yeah oh yeah it's it's the same in mormonism you're you're expected to counsel with your bishop you're expected to pray you're expected to um Go to your leaders if you have questions.
And the problem is, as I was talking about these interviews that happen with children, why it's become such an issue is a lot of times these bishops are giving psychological counseling and they don't have any training. They shouldn't be giving people life counsel and life advice and career advice and marriage advice and psychological advice. They're not qualified.
And no grown man should be locked in a room with a small child, asking them questions about kissing and that just shouldn't happen. Um, and there's a man named Sam young, um, who has started a crusade, uh, it's called protect all children. And, um, It's a crusade. He walks around with like a protect the children flag tied around his neck and he marches up and down in front of the temple.
And he was once a stake president and a bishop and very high up in the church. And his daughters came to him and had very similar experiences to some of mine that I haven't gone into the details of here. but he was horrified because he was a good man. Like my dad was a good man and would never ask a child something like that, that there are men that really take advantage of those situations.
And as we know, there are a lot of fricking sickos and pedos and creeps. And, and when they get in a position where they've got a little bit of power, boy, they, they Lord that over you, you know, and he was horrified by that. And he has left the church and started this big crusade to stop these closed door bishops interviews. And I hope they do stop because they're inappropriate.
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