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Unfortunately, Clarence could not be with us today because ironically, he's speaking at a conference on aging, which when he told me that, he was chuckling in the background. He said, why would they contact me about aging? And I said, Clarence, you're aging. So anyway, but he sent me some questions that I'll be able to pose in a few moments. So thank you to all of you.

Unfortunately, Clarence could not be with us today because ironically, he's speaking at a conference on aging, which when he told me that, he was chuckling in the background. He said, why would they contact me about aging? And I said, Clarence, you're aging. So anyway, but he sent me some questions that I'll be able to pose in a few moments. So thank you to all of you.

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So with that, we're going to get into a subject that actually I've been really thinking a lot about, frankly, for quite a while now as it relates to health. As everybody might know, we've done a variety of different topics in health, social-related health topics, chronic disease, infectious disease. et cetera. And, you know, I've been struck by the idea of spirituality.

So with that, we're going to get into a subject that actually I've been really thinking a lot about, frankly, for quite a while now as it relates to health. As everybody might know, we've done a variety of different topics in health, social-related health topics, chronic disease, infectious disease. et cetera. And, you know, I've been struck by the idea of spirituality.

And so we've invited my great rabbi from Bethel Synagogue in St. Louis Park, Minnesota, Rabbi Matt Goldberg, graduated from Hebrew College and was ordained as a rabbi and a cantor, both. So he can speak and sing. Imagine that. And he came to Beth-El just recently this summer. So it's great to have you.

And so we've invited my great rabbi from Bethel Synagogue in St. Louis Park, Minnesota, Rabbi Matt Goldberg, graduated from Hebrew College and was ordained as a rabbi and a cantor, both. So he can speak and sing. Imagine that. And he came to Beth-El just recently this summer. So it's great to have you.

He was originally from Vancouver, British Columbia, received his BA in English and a minor American history. He's done internships in Boston and Toronto and has done work in chaplaincy, which I think is an important topic as it relates to spirituality. And just really a wonderful man. And I really appreciate having you on our show. So thanks for being with us, Matt. Thank you.

He was originally from Vancouver, British Columbia, received his BA in English and a minor American history. He's done internships in Boston and Toronto and has done work in chaplaincy, which I think is an important topic as it relates to spirituality. And just really a wonderful man. And I really appreciate having you on our show. So thanks for being with us, Matt. Thank you.

So let's get this thing going here. So, you know, there's kind of this, I don't know if it's angst, but there's kind of a connection or what have you between spirituality on one hand and religious spirituality. on the other. Now, I could speak for myself. I'm a religious Jew. I mean, I practice Judaism. And on the other hand, I'm spiritual.

So let's get this thing going here. So, you know, there's kind of this, I don't know if it's angst, but there's kind of a connection or what have you between spirituality on one hand and religious spirituality. on the other. Now, I could speak for myself. I'm a religious Jew. I mean, I practice Judaism. And on the other hand, I'm spiritual.

So it's kind of like I have these two facets as a human being. And so I'm wondering if you might be able to respond to that.

So it's kind of like I have these two facets as a human being. And so I'm wondering if you might be able to respond to that.

Yeah. You know, it's interesting because, you know, when I think about, you know, spirituality, you know, I've talked about this before. I get here, I take my dog for, you know, Murphy for a hike, many hikes. And, you know, and we go to these places. I might, I could almost dub them as kind of spiritual places. Okay, when we go to our high access, we're on our own and we're out in nature.

Yeah. You know, it's interesting because, you know, when I think about, you know, spirituality, you know, I've talked about this before. I get here, I take my dog for, you know, Murphy for a hike, many hikes. And, you know, and we go to these places. I might, I could almost dub them as kind of spiritual places. Okay, when we go to our high access, we're on our own and we're out in nature.

And both of us will kind of like, you know, sit on a bench or on a tree log or something and just take it in. Just take it in. And to me, that's a spiritual place. angle, I guess, you know?

And both of us will kind of like, you know, sit on a bench or on a tree log or something and just take it in. Just take it in. And to me, that's a spiritual place. angle, I guess, you know?

Yeah, so they kind of complement each other. Exactly. So I wonder if a person is first spiritual, first spiritual, and then maybe embraces religion as part of that spirituality. I don't know, or maybe the other way around.