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And then, of course, there's my great partner in crime, Clarence Jones. He and I have a great time doing this together. We've learned how to chat a lot better over all of these shows, but it's been really fun. And we really, really appreciate all of our guests that have been here. an integral part as well. So with that, we're going to get the show moving today, navigating the health system.

And Clarence, I'll let you introduce our illustrious guest.

And Clarence, I'll let you introduce our illustrious guest.

Yeah, yeah. You know, so I've got a couple of interesting, you know, as I think about navigating the health system, It seems to me kind of an analogous situation in my mind is when any of us go like on an airplane, everything is out of our control. Here but the grace of God, we hope that this pilot and the co-pilot knows what the hell they're doing. Now, let's think about the health system.

Yeah, yeah. You know, so I've got a couple of interesting, you know, as I think about navigating the health system, It seems to me kind of an analogous situation in my mind is when any of us go like on an airplane, everything is out of our control. Here but the grace of God, we hope that this pilot and the co-pilot knows what the hell they're doing. Now, let's think about the health system.

Same thing. It's like when we have to get in to get some kind of care, whether it be for chronic condition or what have you, we're out of control. We hope that whoever it is at any given time really knows what they're doing. And at that point, correct me if I'm wrong, we don't even think about insurance because we're sick or somebody that we're attending to is sick and needs attention.

Same thing. It's like when we have to get in to get some kind of care, whether it be for chronic condition or what have you, we're out of control. We hope that whoever it is at any given time really knows what they're doing. And at that point, correct me if I'm wrong, we don't even think about insurance because we're sick or somebody that we're attending to is sick and needs attention.

So talk to me a little bit about that. You know, it's like this kind of sense of loss of control when we really need assistance, medical assistance.

So talk to me a little bit about that. You know, it's like this kind of sense of loss of control when we really need assistance, medical assistance.

You know, and the whole thing, you know, besides the care side of the equation, okay, where you're kind of, you know, at the mercy of the healthcare providers, then there's the other side of the equation navigating this health system, which is so damn confusing. It's just like, you know, even for those of us who are in healthcare care. Okay.

You know, and the whole thing, you know, besides the care side of the equation, okay, where you're kind of, you know, at the mercy of the healthcare providers, then there's the other side of the equation navigating this health system, which is so damn confusing. It's just like, you know, even for those of us who are in healthcare care. Okay.

Some angle of it doesn't matter where, even for us, it's just like, my God, you know, it's like, it's just insane. I'll give you a perfect illustration. So, you know, I, I see orthopedic patients after they've had knee surgery and here's just a little microcosm of what I think is just crazy.

Some angle of it doesn't matter where, even for us, it's just like, my God, you know, it's like, it's just insane. I'll give you a perfect illustration. So, you know, I, I see orthopedic patients after they've had knee surgery and here's just a little microcosm of what I think is just crazy.

There are these machines that they use to provide iced water around a person's knee, a machine, electric machine, okay? And you ready? The patients can rent the machines. And I'm thinking, you know, and I've talked to these patients and I've said to them, I said, isn't it sad? Isn't it just sad that your insurance just doesn't cover this machine for, you know, two weeks while you need it at home.

There are these machines that they use to provide iced water around a person's knee, a machine, electric machine, okay? And you ready? The patients can rent the machines. And I'm thinking, you know, and I've talked to these patients and I've said to them, I said, isn't it sad? Isn't it just sad that your insurance just doesn't cover this machine for, you know, two weeks while you need it at home.

It's $75 a week. Okay. To rent it. And I'm thinking, think about the complicated aspects for a patient who's at the mercy of everybody because their knee is killing them at that point and they want to use this machine. So what do I say? I say, you know, you've come this far, just rent it. If you can afford it, just do it because your recovery will be quicker.

It's $75 a week. Okay. To rent it. And I'm thinking, think about the complicated aspects for a patient who's at the mercy of everybody because their knee is killing them at that point and they want to use this machine. So what do I say? I say, you know, you've come this far, just rent it. If you can afford it, just do it because your recovery will be quicker.

But again, it's just like all these little dumb things that drive us all nuts. And it creates stress, I think too. So, and that's the point I want to take up with you. It's like under Who cares? How do you kind of monitor stress?

But again, it's just like all these little dumb things that drive us all nuts. And it creates stress, I think too. So, and that's the point I want to take up with you. It's like under Who cares? How do you kind of monitor stress?

That's another book.