Stefan Passantino

Now, I don't have any recollection of that conversation happening between us, but I can also say if she had raised, oh, I'm very concerned that I heard third hand about a thing that I would have cut her off. I said, look, that's not what you're here for. You're a fact witness. Your job is to testify to the facts that you know. You're not an expert witness. You're not a speculation witness.

Now, I don't have any recollection of that conversation happening between us, but I can also say if she had raised, oh, I'm very concerned that I heard third hand about a thing that I would have cut her off. I said, look, that's not what you're here for. You're a fact witness. Your job is to testify to the facts that you know. You're not an expert witness. You're not a speculation witness.

Now, I don't have any recollection of that conversation happening between us, but I can also say if she had raised, oh, I'm very concerned that I heard third hand about a thing that I would have cut her off. I said, look, that's not what you're here for. You're a fact witness. Your job is to testify to the facts that you know. You're not an expert witness. You're not a speculation witness.

You're not... a I'm guessing witness, you talk about the facts, they're going to interview every single person who had anything to do with the January 6th incidents. They're gonna talk to the drivers, talk to Secret Service. It's not your job to go and talk about things that you think might have happened.

You're not... a I'm guessing witness, you talk about the facts, they're going to interview every single person who had anything to do with the January 6th incidents. They're gonna talk to the drivers, talk to Secret Service. It's not your job to go and talk about things that you think might have happened.

You're not... a I'm guessing witness, you talk about the facts, they're going to interview every single person who had anything to do with the January 6th incidents. They're gonna talk to the drivers, talk to Secret Service. It's not your job to go and talk about things that you think might have happened.

Well, here's what we do know. We do know that in real time, immediately after that live testimony, Tony Ornato, who was the Secret Service detailee, I think he was working the chief of staff's office. I think he was like a deputy of operations. He testified immediately, or at least said publicly, that's not true.

Well, here's what we do know. We do know that in real time, immediately after that live testimony, Tony Ornato, who was the Secret Service detailee, I think he was working the chief of staff's office. I think he was like a deputy of operations. He testified immediately, or at least said publicly, that's not true.

Well, here's what we do know. We do know that in real time, immediately after that live testimony, Tony Ornato, who was the Secret Service detailee, I think he was working the chief of staff's office. I think he was like a deputy of operations. He testified immediately, or at least said publicly, that's not true.

And there was another really interesting- And Cassie Hutchinson never claimed that she saw it. Oh, she was never. This was a second or third hand.

And there was another really interesting- And Cassie Hutchinson never claimed that she saw it. Oh, she was never. This was a second or third hand.

And there was another really interesting- And Cassie Hutchinson never claimed that she saw it. Oh, she was never. This was a second or third hand.

Just like I heard that... Yeah, it's not hearsay rules. Okay, you're thinking, it's like, well, you can't talk about an out-of-court statement. The rules are a little more wide open than that. You can talk about hearsay, and I would allow witnesses to describe, I heard Fred say X, Y, Z happened. Well, that's something you heard. You are absolutely entitled to testify to all of those things.

Just like I heard that... Yeah, it's not hearsay rules. Okay, you're thinking, it's like, well, you can't talk about an out-of-court statement. The rules are a little more wide open than that. You can talk about hearsay, and I would allow witnesses to describe, I heard Fred say X, Y, Z happened. Well, that's something you heard. You are absolutely entitled to testify to all of those things.

Just like I heard that... Yeah, it's not hearsay rules. Okay, you're thinking, it's like, well, you can't talk about an out-of-court statement. The rules are a little more wide open than that. You can talk about hearsay, and I would allow witnesses to describe, I heard Fred say X, Y, Z happened. Well, that's something you heard. You are absolutely entitled to testify to all of those things.

But what happened in this case is... is she testified about, I had heard that this happened. Well, the people who would have told her that said, I didn't talk to Cassidy, and that didn't happen. And I knew I was in trouble. I want to back up a little. When I knew that I had just sort of gone from, this was just another client and just sort of an unusual set of circumstances... I had been fired.

But what happened in this case is... is she testified about, I had heard that this happened. Well, the people who would have told her that said, I didn't talk to Cassidy, and that didn't happen. And I knew I was in trouble. I want to back up a little. When I knew that I had just sort of gone from, this was just another client and just sort of an unusual set of circumstances... I had been fired.

But what happened in this case is... is she testified about, I had heard that this happened. Well, the people who would have told her that said, I didn't talk to Cassidy, and that didn't happen. And I knew I was in trouble. I want to back up a little. When I knew that I had just sort of gone from, this was just another client and just sort of an unusual set of circumstances... I had been fired.

I had been very publicly fired because I was a Trump lawyer and she had put out very publicly, I want to testify. I don't feel comfortable having this Trump lawyer. All fair. I mean, that's perfectly her right to do. And then she had given this very dramatic testimony that had been refuted by people who were physically there.

I had been very publicly fired because I was a Trump lawyer and she had put out very publicly, I want to testify. I don't feel comfortable having this Trump lawyer. All fair. I mean, that's perfectly her right to do. And then she had given this very dramatic testimony that had been refuted by people who were physically there.