Steph McGovern

Because if we start doing that, we're going to end up with like an HS2 situation where it just takes forever and then gets water down and water down and water down

Paul, there's loads more to dig into with you, but we're going to go to a quick break.

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Can I ask you just around, you know, you're a details man.

Obviously, we're hearing a lot of plans from reform about things they'd like to do if we vote them in, one of which is abolishing income tax on overtime.

Reformers saying this would cost five billion.

Obviously, others disagree with that, including, you know, friend of the show, Dan Needle, tax expert, who reckons it'd be more in the line of 14 billion and it's not worth it because, you know, people would probably game the system anyway when it comes to what is overtime.

What are your thoughts on this?

Because this is a really tangible thing for voters, isn't it?

I can hear some of the lads, you know, who are doing building work on my street now going, oh, they're going to tax us on overtime.

That's mint.