Steph McGovern

let's go for it.

It's got that clear messaging that does reform very well.

It also might slow people down because people might think, well, hang on, I won't get things done in the time because I want to get overtime and get the extra tax.

So it might actually not even increase productivity either.

I've read before, Paul, that you've said that politicians across the political spectrum are living in a fiscal dream world.

Do you still think that?

I actually helped him position them before you came online.

Which, in my case at the moment, given the spy scandal we've just had with Southampton, would be the man who was spying stood behind the tree taking photos of our team playing.

Well, you have covered all your bases there, Paul.

Thank you very much for that.

It's always great to get your take on things.

And I know our audience really like hearing what you have to say as well.

So cheers for your time.

And just to tell everyone, your book's called Challenging Inequalities and it's just behind his head.

That's it from us and the rest is money.

Bye bye.

Goodbye.

The leader of reforms taking money from billionaires.

Surely they'll find ways to make their wealth not look as big as it is.

As you say, they've got the power.