Steph McGovern

As a collective, they've been hammered.

And so that is also why there's such a feeling of being let down by a party.

People feel so let down that they are not being supported through any of the crisis.

It's things have got harder for them rather than...

feeling like it's a government who wants people to do well, to better their lives and to make money.

It feels like that's not what they want them to do.

If you make money, we're going to hammer you on taxes.

And that's the big issue that they face in all of this.

And plus, the other thing I would say is you don't... It feels like...

At the moment, there's definitely an identity crisis.

No one knows what Labour stand for.

They don't know themselves.

It feels like they end up debating whether they go right to try and beat reform or left to beat the Greens.

And they do it on a tactical basis, not on principled ones.

And people can see through it.

They look like pale imitations whenever they come out and say something, whether it's about immigration.

When Starmer came out after Reform had talked about immigration being the problem in the economy, then Starmer came out and said, yeah, immigration is a problem.

And it just looks...

They have no principles and then so many U-turns as well.

Who are they?