Steph McGovern

But this was also just added more damage to the company because

you know, this is before its valuation for the IPO as well before it was sold off.

But this, you know, I think people just think, right, it doesn't matter because they'll do more good than bad.

And then it just comes and bites you on the bum because people these days always find out and there'll always be someone digging to get the, you know, to either because they don't like the person or it's a journalist looking for stuff to get to the truth of things.

So it'll always come out.

And that's the thing that,

It was always inevitable that, yes, OK, there might have been drama if he hadn't have done the appointment and the media might have kicked off.

But look at the drama now and the potential that he might lose his job over all of this.

It just feels like, when are people going to learn not to just take things at face value?

Yeah, yeah.

And that is like the common theme here, as you say.

And we could go on for hours listing all the different examples where it's happened in business.

Can I tell you one more before we move on?

It's another one that I... It's that classic...

people lying on their CV or enhancing it or doing a blag on their CV, which, you know, actually there's been politicians who've been guilty of that as well.

But the former CEO of Samsonite, the fake luggage company, a guy called Ramesh, he often used doctor in his title.

And he did that on the basis that he said he had a doctorate in business administration.

You all know what's coming.

He didn't.

And the Samsonite board didn't check his credentials on this.