Steph McGovern

But this is a classic example of people being blinded by a personality and by somebody who they are kind of blinkered about because they just look at their successes and not their failures.

You know, even when we interviewed Peter Kyle, he was talking about him in a way which was, you know, he said, yes, he's flawed, but he was also amazing at all of these, you know, strategy things, these relationships.

And you're like, yes, but they were all built on,

And allegedly, corruption here, they were all built on things which don't stand up.

He wasn't a great master of winning people over.

He was doing shady deals, allegedly, behind the scenes.

But I do think this is that classic example of people just being blinded by corruption.

the, you know, all the good stuff that they see and they just go, it doesn't matter that they might've done that in the past.

They'll, they'll do so much good.

Like there's another, I'm going to throw in another business example for you, which is Uber.

So, you know, Uber hired this brilliant engineer from, from Google.

He'd worked at Google for years and was one of the

the brains behind the algorithms, the search engine at Google, obviously the key to it.

And he'd left Google.

So he joined them in 2017.

And then just a month after he joined, it came out that actually he'd been asked to leave Google over a credible allegation of sexual harassment, which I should say he denies.

But

Then Uber had to boot him out.

Again, whether it was a vetting process that didn't work or something was ignored, it then led to further chaos for Uber because they were already in a crisis over their workplace culture at the time.

And that eventually ended up with the co-founder, Travis, having to go.