Steph McGovern

But now let's get on with this episode.

So tell me about the people we're talking about.

I mean, again, you know, living in the northeast and spending a lot of time with young people, I see it myself.

But what are you seeing in terms of who these people are and what's happened to them?

At the age of three or four?

Aspergers or autism, yeah.

So basically, if you're a young person and you don't find a job by the time you're 24, which is, you know, this this measure of 16 to 24 year olds is what we're talking about.

You're unlikely ever to is basically what what you're saying here.

I know, I know.

It's a bit like Brexit.

Yeah.

And obviously one of the things that you often hear, particularly from older generations, when we talk about young people not being in work is, oh, that's because it's too easy now to go on benefits.

That's because they're lazy.

Gen Z don't know they're born.

When I was a kid, you got sent out and you hear all that.

From what you're saying, it sounds that maybe the welfare system is too easy to rely on, but that's not the bigger picture you're seeing because what you're saying is this is starting at a really young age.

So you do think then there is a problem with the welfare system that needs to change?

Yeah.

That to me, I mean, this is exactly what I care so much about because, you know, you mentioned my hometown, Middlesbrough.

That's where I grew up, obviously.