Stephanie Moss

They took the other kid that was an optimist by nature, put him in a room full of horse manure and said, hey, this is your room. Go have at it. And of course, the kid who was the pessimist, you know, sucked his thumb, stayed in the corner, said there are too many toys. He couldn't decide. He got completely overwhelmed by the situation and kind of shut down.

They took the other kid that was an optimist by nature, put him in a room full of horse manure and said, hey, this is your room. Go have at it. And of course, the kid who was the pessimist, you know, sucked his thumb, stayed in the corner, said there are too many toys. He couldn't decide. He got completely overwhelmed by the situation and kind of shut down.

Well, after an hour or so, they went and checked on the optimist kid. And basically, as they go in the room, they see the kid, hands and knees, just digging like crazy through all this horse manure. And the psychologist says, what are you doing? And the kid says, With all this poo in here, there's bound to be a pony somewhere.

Well, after an hour or so, they went and checked on the optimist kid. And basically, as they go in the room, they see the kid, hands and knees, just digging like crazy through all this horse manure. And the psychologist says, what are you doing? And the kid says, With all this poo in here, there's bound to be a pony somewhere.

So that's my message to you today is in the midst of all the poo, even as hard as it might be, try and remember there's got to be a pony in here somewhere.

So that's my message to you today is in the midst of all the poo, even as hard as it might be, try and remember there's got to be a pony in here somewhere.

Hello and welcome to the Talent Trade. This is Stephanie Moss with Thinking Ahead Executive Search. Super excited to be here today with one of our rock stars from the nonprofit team, Heather Campbell. Heather, welcome. Thank you. Go ahead and tell us a little bit about you and anything you think our listeners would want to know.

Hello and welcome to the Talent Trade. This is Stephanie Moss with Thinking Ahead Executive Search. Super excited to be here today with one of our rock stars from the nonprofit team, Heather Campbell. Heather, welcome. Thank you. Go ahead and tell us a little bit about you and anything you think our listeners would want to know.

Well, welcome. We're super excited to have you here. And another thing that I'm super excited about is kind of your topic. I remember many years ago learning from kind of one of Thinking Ahead's gurus and him saying at one point that at the end of the day, if a search is meant to come together, it will with or without us.

Well, welcome. We're super excited to have you here. And another thing that I'm super excited about is kind of your topic. I remember many years ago learning from kind of one of Thinking Ahead's gurus and him saying at one point that at the end of the day, if a search is meant to come together, it will with or without us.

And he shared that to kind of take the pressure off, especially because when he shared it with me, quite frankly, I was rather new to the practice.

And he shared that to kind of take the pressure off, especially because when he shared it with me, quite frankly, I was rather new to the practice.

But at the same time, he also said, but hey, when you have opportunity to earn your keep in a search, kind of take it serious and make sure that you really are, if you're going to be a part of it, make sure you really are earning your keep as a facilitator of that process. And that's something I think that we're going to talk a lot about today with you.

But at the same time, he also said, but hey, when you have opportunity to earn your keep in a search, kind of take it serious and make sure that you really are, if you're going to be a part of it, make sure you really are earning your keep as a facilitator of that process. And that's something I think that we're going to talk a lot about today with you.

And, you know, it's funny, too, because through the years, the folks that we represent, both on the client side and the candidate side, they're not professional interviewers.

And, you know, it's funny, too, because through the years, the folks that we represent, both on the client side and the candidate side, they're not professional interviewers.

So I think this is an area where in terms of prepping and debriefing them, we have a huge opportunity to make a difference because oftentimes people are incredible what they do, but they don't know how to advocate for themselves. They don't, you know, hey, it's been five years since I interviewed last or whatever. I'm usually the one doing the interviewing.

So I think this is an area where in terms of prepping and debriefing them, we have a huge opportunity to make a difference because oftentimes people are incredible what they do, but they don't know how to advocate for themselves. They don't, you know, hey, it's been five years since I interviewed last or whatever. I'm usually the one doing the interviewing.

So I think this is a super valuable topic. So jump right in, walk us through your philosophy a little bit, and then just walk us through how you do what you do.

So I think this is a super valuable topic. So jump right in, walk us through your philosophy a little bit, and then just walk us through how you do what you do.