Stephen Dubner

Because someone listening is in a very bad marriage.

That's right.

And none of us should be saying that with a laugh in our voices.

It's just a recognition of how fucking hard it is.

It's hard.

Right.

Where do you go in this case, though?

That's what I'm saying.

You got like a reverse engineer.

And that's a moratorium enacted by or carried out by whom on whom, though.

Right.

I think it's a good idea.

I also think that knowing what I know about human behavior, when people recognize that they have a habit that they don't like,

even if they want to get rid of it.

And we could all name many, many bad habits that we've all had that we'd like to get rid of, but we know they're hard.

And there are different stages or dimensions of addiction, let's say.

It's really easy for someone outside of that mode to say, just stop it.

That's the obvious answer from the 30,000 foot parental view.

But everybody knows that if you're doing a thing, just stopping is hard because it's an activity.

It makes you feel a certain way.