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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Stephen Dubner Returns Again

22 Oct 2025

1h 51m duration
22004 words
4 speakers
22 Oct 2025
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Stephen Dubner (Freakonomics, When to Rob a Bank, Freakonomics Radio) is an award-winning journalist, author, and radio host. Stephen returns once again to the Armchair Expert to discuss the power and necessity of disgust, the ethics of yelling at AI, and reflecting on the 20th publishing anniversary of Freakonomics. Stephen and Dax talk about being prodded by society into binary thinking, the compulsions in being perpetually online that don’t jibe with human nature, and what he does when presented with a ‘for us or against us’ argument. Stephen explains the concept of the illusion of explanatory depth, why during these times he’s in give-a-stranger-a-hug mode, and being exhausted in a good way about this human world.Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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0.25 - 24.418 Dax Shepard

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Dubner, and I'm joined by Steven Padman. Hello. Returning guest, one of our favorite guests.

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24.567 - 25.592 Dax Shepard

I think that's number three for him.

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25.732 - 26.315 Monica Padman

We love him.

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26.576 - 29.39 Dax Shepard

God, we love him. We don't need any game plan.

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29.55 - 33.75 Monica Padman

No, he's just fun to talk to and he's so interesting and has a lot of good thoughts.

33.815 - 38.763 Dax Shepard

I love him. He's like a polymath. He's cute and playful. Stephen Dubner.

38.783 - 43.13 Monica Padman

I ran into him minutes after we left. Yeah.

43.33 - 44.772 Dax Shepard

He was on his way there to meet somebody.

44.833 - 51.563 Monica Padman

Yes, I ran into him and he invited me to hang out with him. Oh, he did. But I had to pass up the opportunity.

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