Stephen Dubner

I read on your webpage, Ben, you write, I work primarily on adversarial machine learning and tools to mitigate harms of generative AI models against human creatives. So that's an extremely compelling bio line. Like if that was a dating profile and I were in AI, I would say, whoa, swiping hard left. But if I'm someone concerned about these things, oh my goodness, you're the dream date.

So can you unpack that for me?

So can you unpack that for me?

So can you unpack that for me?

Before he got into his current work, protecting creatives, Zhao made a tool for people who are worried that Siri or Alexa are eavesdropping on them, which, now that I've said their names, they may be. He called this tool the Bracelet of Silence.

Before he got into his current work, protecting creatives, Zhao made a tool for people who are worried that Siri or Alexa are eavesdropping on them, which, now that I've said their names, they may be. He called this tool the Bracelet of Silence.

Before he got into his current work, protecting creatives, Zhao made a tool for people who are worried that Siri or Alexa are eavesdropping on them, which, now that I've said their names, they may be. He called this tool the Bracelet of Silence.

The one I'm looking at looks like 12. I also have to say, Ben, it's pretty big. It's a pretty big bracelet to wear around just to silence your Alexa or HomePod.

The one I'm looking at looks like 12. I also have to say, Ben, it's pretty big. It's a pretty big bracelet to wear around just to silence your Alexa or HomePod.

The one I'm looking at looks like 12. I also have to say, Ben, it's pretty big. It's a pretty big bracelet to wear around just to silence your Alexa or HomePod.

Okay, that's the bracelet of silence. I'd like you to describe another privacy tool you built, the one called Fox.

Okay, that's the bracelet of silence. I'd like you to describe another privacy tool you built, the one called Fox.

Okay, that's the bracelet of silence. I'd like you to describe another privacy tool you built, the one called Fox.

Does it make you look more like someone else in the actual context that you care about or only in the version when it's being scraped? That's right.

Does it make you look more like someone else in the actual context that you care about or only in the version when it's being scraped? That's right.

Does it make you look more like someone else in the actual context that you care about or only in the version when it's being scraped? That's right.

Okay, so Fox is a tool you invented to fight that kind of facial recognition abuse. Is Fox an app or software that anyone can use?

Okay, so Fox is a tool you invented to fight that kind of facial recognition abuse. Is Fox an app or software that anyone can use?

Okay, so Fox is a tool you invented to fight that kind of facial recognition abuse. Is Fox an app or software that anyone can use?

When Ben Zhao says that some artists reached out, that was how he started down his current path, defending visual artists. A Belgian artist named Kim Van Dun, who's known for her illustrations of fantasy creatures, sent Zhao an invitation to a town hall meeting about AI artwork.