Stephen Dubner

Yeah.

Did it upset you?

Did you feel you wasted your time?

What share of interviews would you say that you actually did a bad job?

I haven't quite had that pleasure, but I look forward to it one day.

What other guests on Pima were either difficult, unfun, disappointing to you?

You mentioned to me that the Arnold Schwarzenegger interview is frustrating.

He was just giving a kind of stump speech.

Yeah.

Did you think about not publishing it then after?

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So I can imagine that people listening to this, to them, this sounds like all bad news in that people I mostly admire is going away, but actually there's a massive silver lining.

I'm like, please come in, help.

Seriously, I just want to say, when we started having this conversation about you maybe shutting down Pima and starting to do whatever, a handful of episodes of Freakonomics Radio a year, who knows how many it might be, it coincided with me really wanting to – it's a weekly show, Freakonomics Radio –

which is really hard to do high quality all the time.

And I do love it, but it's grueling and exhausting sometimes.

So I think this is like getting the band back together 20 years after we wrote the first book.

I mean, selfishly for me, I think it's great, but also editorially, I don't mean to flatter you so much, but I'm just really impressed with what a good interviewer you've become over the past five years doing people I mostly admire.