Stephen Dubner

We reached out to Aaron Stark to see if he would give his recollections.

Since we first spoke with Stark, he has left Come and Go and now works as a head cashier at Lowe's.

Since we first spoke with Stark, he has left Come and Go and now works as a head cashier at Lowe's.

Since we first spoke with Stark, he has left Come and Go and now works as a head cashier at Lowe's.

And what kind of lessons does Aaron Stark think we should take from his story?

And what kind of lessons does Aaron Stark think we should take from his story?

And what kind of lessons does Aaron Stark think we should take from his story?

David Riedman, when he was in high school, had his own terrifying experience with a series of shootings.

David Riedman, when he was in high school, had his own terrifying experience with a series of shootings.

David Riedman, when he was in high school, had his own terrifying experience with a series of shootings.

If you look at the long arc of David Riedman's career as someone who wants to protect innocent people from terrible things, you see that it, too, was a long chain of events. The fear that fueled him in high school, the fear of tragedy, has driven him to prevent as many tragedies as he can.

If you look at the long arc of David Riedman's career as someone who wants to protect innocent people from terrible things, you see that it, too, was a long chain of events. The fear that fueled him in high school, the fear of tragedy, has driven him to prevent as many tragedies as he can.

If you look at the long arc of David Riedman's career as someone who wants to protect innocent people from terrible things, you see that it, too, was a long chain of events. The fear that fueled him in high school, the fear of tragedy, has driven him to prevent as many tragedies as he can.

This is an absolute reverse image of the chain of events that create so many tragedies, so many failures, as we've been calling them today. The fact that we humans are capable of this too, of creating a virtuous circle rather than a vicious circle, is testimony to the fact that failure is not inevitable. So let's keep figuring it out together. Next week in part two of How to Succeed at Failing,

This is an absolute reverse image of the chain of events that create so many tragedies, so many failures, as we've been calling them today. The fact that we humans are capable of this too, of creating a virtuous circle rather than a vicious circle, is testimony to the fact that failure is not inevitable. So let's keep figuring it out together. Next week in part two of How to Succeed at Failing,

This is an absolute reverse image of the chain of events that create so many tragedies, so many failures, as we've been calling them today. The fact that we humans are capable of this too, of creating a virtuous circle rather than a vicious circle, is testimony to the fact that failure is not inevitable. So let's keep figuring it out together. Next week in part two of How to Succeed at Failing,

What if we could think of failure as a spectrum? Also, a Nobel Prize was just awarded for a scientific triumph that for decades had been considered a failure. Research on messenger RNA itself started in 1961. That's next time on the show. Until then, take care of yourself. And if you can, someone else too. Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio.

What if we could think of failure as a spectrum? Also, a Nobel Prize was just awarded for a scientific triumph that for decades had been considered a failure. Research on messenger RNA itself started in 1961. That's next time on the show. Until then, take care of yourself. And if you can, someone else too. Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio.

What if we could think of failure as a spectrum? Also, a Nobel Prize was just awarded for a scientific triumph that for decades had been considered a failure. Research on messenger RNA itself started in 1961. That's next time on the show. Until then, take care of yourself. And if you can, someone else too. Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio.

This episode was produced by Zach Lipinski. He and Dalvin Abouaji worked on the update. It was mixed by Greg Rippin and Jasmine Klinger with help from Jeremy Johnston. The Freakonomics Radio network staff also includes Alina Kullman, Augusta Chapman, Eleanor Osborne, Ellen Frankman, Elsa Hernandez, Gabriel Roth. Morgan Levy, Sarah Lilly, and Tao Jacobs.