Stephen Gates

Thankfully, yes.

Okay.

Which by the way, back then, didn't know what a vesting schedule was, right?

So that was totally because of the incubator we worked with, their template had a vesting schedule built into it.

Um, yeah, we, so we did it.

That was the one sucky part.

There was no cliff, but we're on investing schedule.

So they invested quarterly.

So I think he had two quarters that he invested.

So we do moonlighting.

So we just do software consulting on the side.

Or sorry, we used to do software consulting on the side.

Now that we're kind of making money off of this, we want to kind of go full on and bootstrap a bit further or whatever.

But as for paying, if you've got $35,000 in the bank, I mean, as your pre-seed investment, I don't think that's worth paying you for.

Because if you pay yourself even $10,000 for the year, then that's actually with taxes, it's like $7,000.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, exactly.

So we just did software consulting on the side, which is, I also think early on, that's really good to do because it just exposes you to more people.

You get more changes to pitch your product and you kind of develop relationships with people.