Stephen Gates

Have you heard of them?

Yep.

Um, any books I'm reading right now?

Yeah.

Uh, favorite business book.

Um,

So the number one favorite business book, I would say, what was it called?

How I Raised Myself from Failure to Success in Selling, I think.

So I follow a lot of CEOs, right?

Like a lot of them.

Name one in Ohio that we wouldn't know.

One in Ohio?

No.

Uh, the girl bots guys are kind of good, but they've been in extension in Ohio.

I mean, root insurance, they're fucking great, but their CEOs aren't really doing a lot of outs like PR stuff.

So it's kind of hard to follow them.

uh overall though so david doggins i don't know if he counts have you heard of him no what's he what's he the ceo of uh doggins llc i don't know so he's not quite like a traditional ceo he's he started out like navy seal some like the classic super super incredible story you know he's like 300 pounds when he's 22 by 24 he was in the navy seals you know me like super inspirational type of guy and he's like the most dedicated focused person you'll you'll ever see like honestly

And he just now had his sights on like, as of six months ago on creating a personal brand and doing that whole thing.

So I'm just curious to see like how a person like that attacks the business world and all the branding stuff.

And like, you know what I mean?