Stephen J. Ross

And it gives me great pleasure.

I think we're seeing deja vu all over again, that once again, these groups in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, the Anti-Defamation League, the non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League, and the American Jewish Committee were also sending in undercover agents and spies, but that was only because the government had refused to protect their lives.

The FBI, local sheriffs, and local police were doing nothing.

And so these groups were simply trying to, as I say, protect the lives of people of color, of different religions, different ethnicities, because the government refused to do so.

And in turn, they were accused of being Jewish Gestapo groups, and as one politician called them, the Yiddish Ku Klux Klan.

I'm not sure if the indictment is true or not, but the idea that there are paid informants is not illegal.

These people are simply monitoring what was going on.

And when they're accused of being stealing records, those records were sent, I'm sure, to government forces like the FBI, the Justice Department, because they weren't doing their job.

Well, again, I don't know the rules that the Southern Poverty Law Center set down for their informants, but it was very clear that the three groups I write about set down very –

strict guidelines that you can participate in demonstrations in your undercover role but you can't break any laws that we are very clear about that you can't break any laws and i'm sure the splc is doing the same thing because they know their informants would get in trouble otherwise that they could be prosecuted by the government

Well, that's a historical deja vu again.

Very early on, when the ADO was spying in the 40s,

and even the early 50s, the FBI simply ignored them.

They tried, they had undercover agents in the Ku Klux Klan, extremist groups like the Colombians, who were so extreme the Klan refused to ally with them because they were too racist.

The FBI refused to even listen to the ADL, and the correspondents that went to J. Edgar Hoover referred to the ADL as the Anti-Deformation League.

And

they cut ties.

They didn't even cut ties.

They refused to listen to them until much later on when they realized they were getting information from the ADL that their own agents couldn't get.

Yes, I did, because hate never stops.