Stephen K. Bannon

Um, you wrote a, quite frankly, a brilliant piece and something I've been talking about in the first term, president Trump had such an admiration for general Jackson, president Jackson.

We not only put the portrait right off to the left-hand side so everybody can see it when they were taking photos or sitting in the Rose garden next to the president, but we actually went out to the hermitage.

uh to visit and for president trump to go there and i'm going to tell you it blew him away we stayed i think he gave a speech we stayed over an hour just doing the tour and people know this when president trump goes on the tours he's not a guy that stays an extra hour that's how much interest he had in general andrew jackson your piece said today

We're at a crossroads right here in this country.

It's obviously an insurrection that's in your face.

And we're going to do one or two things is going to happen.

We're going to blink or we're going to treat it like an insurrection.

And you use the historical analogy of our first true populist president.

general andrew jackson of how he handled uh an insurrection in time and quite frankly i think delayed or actually killed what was a potential civil war and if you had more people like jackson in the late 1850s you might not had a civil war in this country sir walk us through your article thanks for having me on steven thanks for the praise for the article um

But hang on, but hang on, hang on, but hang on, hang on.

I want to get back to also their core thing is that what is the state and who's sovereign?

The theory of the South Carolinians and many in the South, although they didn't come to their back on this is that, Hey, look, the constitution is a compact of sovereign States.

And as a compact, like a gentleman's club, we can kind of pick and choose which one general Jackson, uh,

who really ended the Revolutionary War and really the beginning of the nation-building phase by defeating the British at the Battle of New Orleans, and had done so much to really help foreign the country.

He was a southerner, a westerner, I guess, at the time, but a southerner.

He had no love for the landed aristocracy in South Carolina or the Tidewater area anywhere.

But his theory of the case was quite different.

This ain't just a compact.

This is a union.

And that is different than a compact.