Stephen K. Bannon

It was literally made up and misrepresented questionnaires.

But Francis was absolutely terrified of his, even though he did govern as an absolute monarch, an absolute dictator, as is his right as Pope, in terms of governance.

He was terrified that his Cardinals would get together.

So I think it's fair to synthesise what you're saying, Frank Walker.

Leo's leadership style is appearing to be different in terms of the superficial, cosmetic... OK, I don't have anything to fear from these Cardinals.

After all...

They elected him on the fourth ballot in record time.

So let them come together for two days.

They're going to be in Rome anyway for the Epiphany, a lot of them.

Let them come together.

Let them talk over the water cooler.

Let them produce whatever statements they want to say.

But it's all very much still Leo is in charge.

What I quickly want to ask you, just give me 60 seconds on this, Frank.

What...

conclusions do you draw?

I know it's not unusual that these things normally do take place behind closed doors, but in the light of talking about synodality and the greater, the supposed transparency and the co-running of the church with the laity,

that Francis endlessly intimated.

This consistently taking place behind closed doors.

As you said, we have no idea what they're saying.