Stephen Kelly

It is.

And some of it was.

But fortunately, a few things.

What did we learn from that time?

The alignment between the ministers, we treated them as the board and we were the executive.

I think the efficiency during that period has never been, and actually Cameron deserves a lot of credit for this, Osborne, that team of consistent ministers doing their job for five years.

It all stayed in place, Theresa May at the Home Office.

Great stability, because again, what the civil service could do.

if you believe the sort of yes minister and think of it stories, which can be the case, is if you rotate and door on the ministers, literally you never get anything done.

Because new minister brief them six months, they come up with their own ideas.

18 months later, they're gone.

Yeah.

The five-year consistency was very powerful.

Also, you couldn't put a sheet of paper between the Lib Dem ministers and the Conservatives.

I worked very closely with Nick Clegg and Danny Alexander.

Fantastic people.

And the Conservatives, you know, really good.

People like Philip Hammond, all these sort of folks.

And Theresa Maygood.

Yeah.