Stephen Mayne

I mean...

Why have double time when that just leads to the service not being offered?

People want to go to the library on a Sunday, but you look all over the country, you'll see that libraries are rarely open on Sundays or not for very long.

That's not because people are at church.

It's because the industrial agreements all lock in double time on a Sunday.

And so the councils just say, bugger it, we'll shut, we won't open.

And then the community loses a service.

Yeah, I forced us to open for longer.

I just said, we've got 80 million cash in the bank.

We're not like all these UK libraries.

We're not going broke.

Let's just sod the cost, open the damn libraries.

And okay, it cost us a few hundred thousand more over the term of the council, but the libraries were full and it was the right thing to do, offer the service, particularly if you can afford it.

But it's going to only be a city thing, isn't it?

So you're not going to get big B-doubles going from Melbourne to Sydney on the Hume with no driver.

Well, I don't know.

You won't get a government or a regulator allowing that, surely.

Yeah, well, you get driverless trains in the Pilbara, obviously, and you've obviously got... Sydney's now got their metro.

They've got driverless trains with their new metro, I think.

So it's certainly moving there across the board.