Stephen Mayne

I mean, 7% of workers are in driving jobs, transport jobs.

So that could be a massive disruptor, just like we used to say that 3% of all workers were in call centres.

And that's certainly falling with agents replacing the call centre worker.

But I agree.

I think that self-driving cars is bigger than robots and probably one of the biggest productivity changes because imagine if all those people don't have to drive.

Harry's right.

You can work in the self-driving car.

Now, final question from Nathan.

Love your analysis, Money Cafe.

Teams best do the consistent presentation of views and points of the podcast.

Polite, frictionless debate is impressive, rare, unnecessary, good role model and often yields new and interesting opinions.

Thank you, Nathan.

We'll give you a free cap for that.

And he's loving Alan's new podcast on the ABC as well.

Listening to his recent episode with Danielle Wood, the head of the Productivity Commission, Nathan would like you to clarify, Alan.

So if AI promises productivity improvements but potentially only 4% gains over the decade, as per the Productivity Commission...

then we're only really achieving a partial reversion to the historical mean.

Is the PC way off in their estimates, or did I miss a Jobs-pocalypse last century, or is the fear overstated?

So that's an interesting point, Alan.

Did Danielle Wood persuade you to be less pessimistic about the Jobs-pocalypse coming when you had your lengthy chat with her the other week?