Stephen Morris

But I'm saying like, if you put Sundar Pichai or Sergey Brin on the spot and say, what's the one executive, what's the one piece of talent internally that you couldn't use?

I think they'd be hard pressed to come up with another answer that isn't Demis Hassabis.

And the pair of them have a bit of a bromance, don't they?

Demis and Dario.

They're like, look at what the companies that are run by like real AI researchers and scientists are doing.

And then look at what the companies who are run by marketing guys or advertising people are doing.

They said this on stage when they appeared together at Davos in January.

Very thinly veiled jive at Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg there.

And their point is, I guess potentially Elon Musk as well, their point was that we are the ones that can be trusted to deploy AI safely.

to really deeply think about what an AGI future looks like, from everything from the economy, employment, to safety and military applications.

Whereas if you were just using AI to improve your advertising margins, or indeed line your own pockets, perhaps you can't be trusted as much for the technology.

I have a Bear case for you, Murad.

Please, Stephen.

You said Kremes' credentials were unimpeachable or impeccable.

you know, the culture, certainly DeepMind has always been very aligned to this don't be evil initial ethos.

Now Google's obviously, Alphabet's abandoned that and it's organized the world's information to make it useful or something, which is a much more commercial strap line.

There has been a bit of a spat as we,

mentioned before between Anthropic and the Pentagon about military use of technology, specifically autonomous lethal weapons, basically allowing an AI to decide whether to kill someone or groups of people or not, and also mass domestic surveillance.

Anthropic felt strongly enough about these red lines

that it tried to basically pull its models from use at the Pentagon.