Steve Benson

And I was like, really?

Like, you're going to give me like...

300k.

I make a million bucks, two million bucks a year, 300k isn't a lot of money, man.

Like, you know, because real companies, they'll let you lever up, you know, pretty aggressively, right, to one turn or something at least, but

And so that's, I guess that's the real key difference is how much they'll give you at what rate.

And a lot of the lenders also had a really short duration, which now I'm really ruining my slides, but that's okay.

All right, these are my slides.

Yeah.

65 and the other co-founder owns like 20 and then a third is there a dad there's a dad there's a there's there's a dad that i've squeezed money out of him too yeah well only one dad one dad in as well but point is you've kept control yeah i mean i i think we sold 10 of the company and that was like super early on before i even thought of debt but that and you've already tried to buy them out i imagine um

No.

They're all really smart.

They're like private equity guys.

They're not going to be like, oh, sure, here, for 2x.

That's me.

Love you to death.

Take it away.

You know me, man.

All right.

There's not like a coffee spot up here.