Steve Denehan

And I felt like I was squandering it with no real.

There was no payoff at all other than money.

And money is obviously an important thing.

but it was hurting and it's still actually that's 10 no hang on 40 robin was it was about 15 years ago and i genuinely still have i'd say once every two or three weeks an actual nightmare about the office about the lift about trying to find a doorway out all of this mad stuff it was really really affecting me deeply so yeah there's a ton of those hatchery ears poems well isn't it

You're a brilliant, a brilliant study for James Hollis.

Yeah, because you have the, you know, the finding true, your true meaning sort of thing and you have the dreams as well because he's a big believer in interpreting dreams and the subconscious and all that sort of thing.

I don't know.

Subconscious is scary.

Yes, yeah, because there's so much we don't know that's going on and it has such a huge effect on what we do.

Yeah, I don't think we'll ever know, but that's, what an amazing man.

I'll listen to that.

I'd love to talk to him.

What a guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So poetry now, let's talk about it.

So you use it to obviously, you know, observe the world and report on the world.

And some of the poetry is very much like that.

Yeah.

Say what you see sort of thing.

That's it.