Steve Greenblatt

um, letting them, uh, get, giving them all of those, um, luxuries and privileges, I think will be important, but of course, making sure that there's checks and balances.

So that that's kind of my, my, uh, opening take on it.

It's quite good.

Thank you.

One thing that I would add, too, is if you want to take a little bit of a different look on it is from the employee or the programmer's perspective, what are the things that they should do to also find themselves in a better place and be desirable?

And I think that there's a few tips that we might be able to provide there as well.

For me, I think that one thing is understanding that they're part of a business and what they do is very important and the technology is really what we sell, but it has to be done in a way that makes the business run.

So it has to be done within the boundaries of the project and it has to be, and there needs to be profitability thought of, even though we don't want to minimize the effort that goes into what we do.

That's a lot of times why there's some urgency and some deadlines and, and not all programmers enjoy that part of things.

You know, they, they, they, they do have a little bit of, of,

an artistic side to them and they don't necessarily want to have those limitations.

If I was going to tell somebody a tip that was looking for a job is I would recommend that they bring some things to the table so that they are contributing while they are also learning and while the company is investing in them so that there is a balance and there is a two-way street and they are

looking out for the well-being of the company as the company should be looking out for their well-being.

And from an employer's perspective too, if you get into something, whether it's in the beginning, the middle, or closer to the end, and it doesn't feel right, say something.

Because I would rather know that you spoke up and that you brought it to my attention than you walked out the door and you didn't give me a chance to resolve it.

Mm-hmm.

Well, it's probably a good place to end this.

I really enjoyed this conversation and thank you, Dan, for bringing this question to us.

And I'm sure that in the future, you'll continue to bring such great questions and conversations to our audience.

And I hope that this helped to educate some of your listeners and viewers and readers as well.