Steve Joordens

That's going to be the hard part is getting them to open up, getting them to feel comfortable.

But if any of them have that, jump on that for sure.

Yeah, thank you.

Great to be with you again, David.

Absolutely.

And thank you, because I always find it very frustrating when people talk about mental health.

Mental health is, by the way, just a huge concept.

You know, the people who do these shootings are not depressed.

They're not anxious.

They're not schizophrenic.

They're not the things we think of for mental health don't really apply here.

What does apply, though, is a new concept called social health.

And it really stresses the importance of social connection to bring us all together and bring us success and happiness, but also highlights what happens when we have social exclusion.

I mean, a major thread.

It's the thread.

I mean, almost every case, I would say every case that I've ever heard of, the individual has ended up becoming socially isolated in some way, typically ostracized from a social group.

I mean, if you almost think of it logically, in order to walk into a classroom and kill a bunch of people you know, you have to have no empathy.

You have to have lost all empathy for them.

And typically the process of that is, well, you've gotten excluded, you've gotten kicked out.

They don't consider you good enough to be part of them.