Steve Kramer

I don't know any detective, homicide detectives that we've worked with that thought that was a good, in fact, everybody thinks it's a bonehead idea. I don't know why, like I said, I cannot think, and I'd like that answer, like what was the investigative reason for taking his DNA again and then certainly letting him go?

I don't know any detective, homicide detectives that we've worked with that thought that was a good, in fact, everybody thinks it's a bonehead idea. I don't know why, like I said, I cannot think, and I'd like that answer, like what was the investigative reason for taking his DNA again and then certainly letting him go?

So if you're asking me, is there any question or is there any rub about there being probable causes he murdered her? I think that's ludicrous and I can tell you, As you can imagine, Steve and I have a lot of law enforcement friends, both in the FBI and many, many agencies across the country.

So if you're asking me, is there any question or is there any rub about there being probable causes he murdered her? I think that's ludicrous and I can tell you, As you can imagine, Steve and I have a lot of law enforcement friends, both in the FBI and many, many agencies across the country.

And I've been inundated with my friends, prosecutors, investigators, going, what the hell happened in Hawaii? And what was going on with the police there? Saying that there's no probable cause. And all I can say is, like, they didn't have control of it.

And I've been inundated with my friends, prosecutors, investigators, going, what the hell happened in Hawaii? And what was going on with the police there? Saying that there's no probable cause. And all I can say is, like, they didn't have control of it.

And I can tell you that that is not the way, you know, the FBI... You know, the FBI would never go out and take overt DNA from an individual after they've already, you know, confirmed them through surreptitious DNA. That's the probable cause. Like, every warrant we've done, including federal warrants that Steve and I have worked on in federal court, same thing. Like...

And I can tell you that that is not the way, you know, the FBI... You know, the FBI would never go out and take overt DNA from an individual after they've already, you know, confirmed them through surreptitious DNA. That's the probable cause. Like, every warrant we've done, including federal warrants that Steve and I have worked on in federal court, same thing. Like...

The surreptitious DNA is all you need. So I think this case is a tragedy from December 24th, 1991 through July 19th, 2024.

The surreptitious DNA is all you need. So I think this case is a tragedy from December 24th, 1991 through July 19th, 2024.

I'm a former FBI attorney. I spent most of my career in law enforcement. In addition to being an FBI attorney, I was a federal prosecutor as well as a deputy DA. And I retired from the FBI in 2021 to start this company, Indago Solutions, applying genetic genealogy to solve homicide cases, sexual assault cases, any type of violent crime cases.

I'm a former FBI attorney. I spent most of my career in law enforcement. In addition to being an FBI attorney, I was a federal prosecutor as well as a deputy DA. And I retired from the FBI in 2021 to start this company, Indago Solutions, applying genetic genealogy to solve homicide cases, sexual assault cases, any type of violent crime cases.

The one case that I did do that most people have heard about is the Golden State Killer. So myself and Paul Holes organized a team, and in 2018, we identified the Golden State Killer, who was one of the most prolific uncaught serial killers in U.S. history. And we all kind of laughed about, like, we were all very happy high-fiving ourselves, literally, that we caught a serial killer.

The one case that I did do that most people have heard about is the Golden State Killer. So myself and Paul Holes organized a team, and in 2018, we identified the Golden State Killer, who was one of the most prolific uncaught serial killers in U.S. history. And we all kind of laughed about, like, we were all very happy high-fiving ourselves, literally, that we caught a serial killer.

Like really, it was really awesome. And we didn't realize that how we caught him was really the bigger story. And it wasn't until like a week later, our phones started ringing and we started getting calls from police agencies, detectives, not only all over the country, but all over the world. Like, how did we do this? Can we do it? Can you show us how?

Like really, it was really awesome. And we didn't realize that how we caught him was really the bigger story. And it wasn't until like a week later, our phones started ringing and we started getting calls from police agencies, detectives, not only all over the country, but all over the world. Like, how did we do this? Can we do it? Can you show us how?

And that all of a sudden started to dawn on us. Like, wow, maybe we really have something here. It's an amazing technique, and we say this all the time, and it sounds like an exaggeration. It is not, but these days almost anybody can be identified through DNA. You don't have to be in a database or anything like that, but if you leave DNA someplace, it's identifiable.

And that all of a sudden started to dawn on us. Like, wow, maybe we really have something here. It's an amazing technique, and we say this all the time, and it sounds like an exaggeration. It is not, but these days almost anybody can be identified through DNA. You don't have to be in a database or anything like that, but if you leave DNA someplace, it's identifiable.

So that's the amazing part about it. And we were told years ago by a very smart person from one of the genealogy database companies, one of the scientists there, and he said, you guys have now been given a superpower. You have the ability to solve any crime. As long as there's DNA there, you can solve it.

So that's the amazing part about it. And we were told years ago by a very smart person from one of the genealogy database companies, one of the scientists there, and he said, you guys have now been given a superpower. You have the ability to solve any crime. As long as there's DNA there, you can solve it.