Steve Saretsky

Well, good.

The whole thing.

Yeah, okay.

So lawful access is an issue that predates both of our podcasts.

It goes back now, you know, several decades.

Some people may remember that.

At one point in time, a conservative minister named Vic Tays, who tried to put forward legislation that was somewhat similar and talked about, you know, people who opposed it and said, you're either with us or with the child pornographers, which was a pretty stark way to frame it.

And there were people that said, well, if that's the choice, then.

Somewhat reluctantly, I'll take the child pornographers.

And so the you know, this issue has been fundamentally about under what circumstances can law enforcement obtain access to subscriber information or other information about people for investigative purposes?

And so that runs the gamut from obtaining basic subscriber information with the Supreme Court of Canada has consistently ruled may have some real privacy import.

You know, if you know lots about an individual doing certain things online, but you don't know their name or IP address, that's the link, right?

And so...

On its own, a name or IP address might not seem that it's got all that much of a privacy import, but the fact that it connects to all this other information is what can make it quite sensitive.

So there's been that access to basic subscriber information, and that issue continues to play out as to under what circumstances can law enforcement obtain the information.

There is another element to the bill, though, that's proven far more controversial, and that really has to do with the kind of assistance that digital...

what are called electronic service providers, have to provide to law enforcement.

And I should note, you guys are electronic service providers here too.

So this isn't just telecom companies.

This isn't just large internet companies.