Steve Valliquette

And we had some of their guys sitting with us complaining about it, but not able to do anything.

Right.

And you know what else you would do?

You'd pull into our parking lot.

We had a gate that lets you Knicks and Rangers park in a specific player designated area.

He wouldn't even get through the gate and he'd leave his truck there and just walk out.

So we'd have to park on the other side of the gate and then walk in.

It was just like all this absurdity.

And now you hear how great character and the families these guys come from and they go out and do what they did.

So I'm proud of what still matters in sport.

And this applies to Carolina.

High character.

Right.

Particularly as a leader, right?

Well, guys, a lot of times it comes down to the leadership, you know, calling that guy out and making an example of it, and oftentimes in a learning way.

You remember when I've been on in the past, I talk about the sheepherder, the sheep, the corpse, or the terrorist, right?

I mean, I'm telling you guys, you could sit in any room and name those guys.

The sheep herders, you're lucky to have two or three of them.

Jordan Stahl is certainly one of them.

And some of the sheep on the team, I mean, you could easily pick apart some of the sheep, and those guys can go either way, up or down.