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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What trade did the Maple Leafs make involving Joseph Woll?
This hour, Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet365. Nick Kiprios, Justin Bourne. The very own Sammy McKee, Jake the Snake Schultz, Derek Brandeo, and assistant producer Chris Gallagher. Boys, NHL sleeps for nobody. No. Nobody. I think the NHL's been... I don't even... I'm not sure you guys should get July and August off now. It's going to be so busy.
I noticed you said you guys.
You guys.
You didn't include yourself in that.
Buddy, I'm semi-retired. I turned 60. You're semi-retired. Come on. You guys are young and hungry.
Can I say, first of all, I've never got July and August off. That was you guys. I was here slugging it, talking about the Jays for every summer that you guys are off.
What a gift last year must have been.
Yeah, it was great. This year's not going to be as fun.
All right. It's real apparent that the Leafs were itching to do something.
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Chapter 3: What is Joseph Woll's legacy with the Toronto Maple Leafs?
So the Leafs now have Emile, Andre, and Arison in a third-round pick, and they don't have Joseph Wall and Simone Benoit anymore. You don't think trading Joseph Wall is a big deal?
Well, I think trading Joseph Wall is a big deal emotionally. He's been a part of the organization for a long time. I think he had established himself as the number one A. No, no, no.
Didn't establish himself. Okay.
So that's even further to my point that this is like, I have Harrison is a guy that probably doesn't play for the Leafs. I got Ben was a guy who wasn't a positive value contract. And so I kind of got you trade Joseph wall for a third and a meal Andre. I don't know, it's cool, but it's not like earth shattering.
To your point, Sammy, if it was a year ago, it would have been a big deal. The season that he had, the inability to keep healthy, the inability to see a starting job there for the taking and not be able to kind of shut the door on it at his age with a contract that he just most recently signed at over $12 million. And I'll tell you what, the World Championships did him no favors with John Chayka.
That's ridiculous.
Yeah, I mean, that's the reason you trade him. I'm not saying that's the reason, but another opportunity where he didn't seize the moment.
I think, Kip, that this organization knows a lot about Joseph Wall and knows the person, likes the person, but they just don't believe that he's ever going to... be available, I think he's too risky to be like, this is the guy we're betting on. And so if someone had to go and there was interest in him, you get a third, and they like Andre.
And we're going to get into it more, I know, but they feel like they got something back here that moves them towards the look they want to get towards, which is someone who can break the puck out and make a pass, as opposed to how they've looked with Benoit banging it off the glass.
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Chapter 4: How can Emil Andrae impact the Leafs' defense?
And if that's the best thing, then I guess. And what Stolarz's is too.
If they went around the league and said, hey, Stolarz is available. And everyone said, we don't want that contract for a guy that injury prone. You get nothing back. I mean, to me, it's like wool and Stolarz. You're not sure who's going to be available, so get something for one of them and keep the other.
If you told me today that you just traded Joseph Wall to Philly for a third rounder, I'd be good. It's good. Really? It's not bad. Really? It's not bad. Yes. Absolutely.
That's interesting.
Andre played 61 games last year. You're getting out of a $12 million contract or a three plus AAV for a guy that you don't know can play. 35 games again next year.
Let alone in playoffs and big moments.
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Chapter 5: What were the internal conversations about calling out players?
I mean, God, that Boston series... So that's value in itself.
Okay. And as far as... Airson? Airson, yeah. Airson and the defenseman... Yeah, throw it on the wall and see if it sticks. Arison, if I'm not mistaken, needs a new contract. He didn't make much more than 1.5. Both guys are RFA's. RFA. If Chayka decides not to qualify Arison and he just walks, no problem. Yeah. Let him go.
I kind of think they might.
Let him go. Right?
He's been an 880 goaltender for three straight years or something.
I'll ask you both then. I mean, it's really, you should not be judging an offseason in terms of moves on June 16th. No. But does that not leave you a little bit vulnerable still at the goaltending? Like, I feel like you need to have him as an option.
The play of Aktyamov with the Marlies has probably gone a long way to make them feel a lot better to move Joseph Wall.
Sure, but is he going to be trying to win next year? I talked to people in Philly, though, and they think there's a chance this guy can take a step. They like some parts of his game. Between Arison, Aktyamov, Hildeby, Stolarz, can you get a couple guys that have good years at the same time? One guy who has a good year at the same time as himself? You know what I mean?
Yes.
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Chapter 6: How did Frederik Andersen contribute to the Stanley Cup Final?
Third rounders are something that can be used in compensation. It can be used as part of an offer sheet where you've got to give up a first, second, and a third for certain level guys. You know, it's another asset. So I'm curious what moves they've got planned. But I do think that having more cap space and more picks helps you as you make those moves.
I'm just happy it's a trade. It's not the trade, but it's a trade. And they got to grease this wheel. They got to move it. You can't sit on just whatever they've adopted.
It's definitely a sign that... that they're stepping in a different direction. Like, I think that wall would be kind of seen as this era's next sort of goalie, right?
He was James Reimer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next version of that.
Yeah, like where it's, you're a guy that you draft and developed.
Hey, Joseph, you're going to have a great career being a Reimer.
Totally.
Yeah.
You can play 15, 17 years playing 35 games.
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Chapter 7: What was the Carolina Hurricanes' path to winning the Cup?
But he's 24. Maybe he can take another step and be a second pair guy.
Like he's... Definitely not as physical as Benoit is going to be, but at least your third-pairing left-shot defenseman guy can break a puck out.
And you know what? He was sheltered in Philly a bit in terms of quality competition and zone starts and all that, but he won his minutes. Okay. And Benoit was no good last year.
So, no, he was the opposite of good. I do worry about them trading people off the roster after last year when everybody went wrong.
And Benoit just had a kid last year. Maybe he was head in the clouds.
He was awesome the year before.
Well, awesome. Also, what a fit. Rick Tockett gets Benoit, who totally makes sense for them.
They'll enjoy him. Do you guys want to hear John Chayka's thoughts on the trade? So hold on for a second.
Uh-oh.
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Chapter 8: What is the scouting report on goaltender Samuel Ersson?
he didn't say it like that, but he's like, what, like, what do you mean? And then he, so let's play clip four and he kind of explains what he means. So clip four, please.
Yeah, certainly, you know, cap space is a real asset. I think roster flexibility just with how, how, you know, the profile of a meal, you know, lines up with some of the other players that we're looking at are part of our roster currently. And yeah,
So I just think good organizations are always keeping an eye on that, getting draft capital that can either be used in terms of selection, and then that's an asset prospect base starts to get built up or use the pick to acquire other players. You know, those are the only options. And, you know, again, I think as a fan, they're not as tangible.
But for my chair, you know, having options and having flexibility, I think is undervalued, candidly. And for us, I think it presents us with something Very well for future moves.
Richard Steele, stop the fight. We got to get Ross Atkins and John Tyke out of lunch. What would they talk about? It would just be a circle of jargon.
You can get AI talking to AI.
All right, let's exercise our optionality by going to Steve Aliquette, analyst with the New York Rangers, MSG, ClearSight Analytics.
Hey, boys. Knicks fan.
There he is. How are you, my friend?
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