Steven Bartlett

about what's going to happen later.

He's interested in what is happening now, and is he winning in the current moment?

Whatever it means to him.

Which is?

I'm winning the contest with this journalist, or I'm winning the argument about Iran, or we're winning the war, or the opinion polls are all in my favor.

So whatever is the situation, he has to emerge as the winner.

That's his narcissistic mentality.

That's not very good for strategic thinking because sometimes you don't win immediately.

Like you have to have a plan, you know, and you have to have a long-term aim and you have to have a strategy on how to get there.

But he doesn't think like that.

If you watch him, if you watch him perform on television, whatever is happening, he will convert it into that, you know, I'm winning.

When you begin to see attempts to corrupt and shape elections, this is when you know your democracy is in trouble.

When the rules of the election are challenged, when there begin to be arguments about who can vote and attempts to make some people not be allowed to vote, when you try to alter the result in some way.

I mean, an attack on elections is a classic argument.

way in which democratically elected leaders undermine democracy.

So an example of this, okay, Viktor Orban, who just lost an election in Hungary after 16 years, he had two-thirds control of – in Hungary, if you have two-thirds of the parliament, then you can change the constitution –

So he continually altered the Hungarian constitution in order to give himself electoral advantages.

So changing constituencies and rebalancing the way votes were counted.

In the United States, I think we already talked about gerrymandering.

Gerrymandering is unbelievably anti-democratic.