Steven Bartlett

Right.

And so he's tried to undermine Jerome Powell.

He's sued Jerome Powell, or he's investigating him, rather, for some kind of fake financial scandal.

And he tried to put pressure on him to resign.

He tried to put pressure on him to change his policy.

And, you know, honestly, I don't know whether the person who will come in next will be more susceptible, but he's certainly been chosen because Trump thinks he is.

And so what Trump wants is to have civil servants who are historically independent, and that includes the chairman of the Fed.

It includes actually the Department of Justice.

The attorney general usually has some independence.

What you want is people who are acting in the interests of everybody.

And in a functional democracy, in the happy Scandinavian countries, then at least most of the time, that's what they're doing.

And in a corrupt democracy or in a failing democracy, then you have people whose interests are not –

Everybody in the country, but their interests are the president, his family, his party.

Anyway, not American.

And so that's the danger of undermining civil service.

Information.

Okay.

All dictatorships seek to control information.

In China, the entire internet since the 1990s has been constructed so that the government can control it.

There is no outside internet.