Steven Bartlett

I will speak to you there.

How does a CEO of a major company get fired by the board?

Because board members, there's a quote in your book on page 357 where you say about Ilya saying, I don't think Sam is the guy who should have the finger on the button for AGI.

Now, I asked myself this question.

You know, I work with lots of people here.

We have 150 people that work in this business.

And those people know me best.

They see me on camera, they see me off camera.

So if they said that we don't think Stephen is the right person to host the Diary of a CEO, for example.

It would take a lot for them to say that.

They must have seen some shit off camera for them to go, we don't think he's the right person to be on camera.

Or for whatever reason.

And in the case of AI, which is much more consequential than a podcast that is, you know, filmed in my old kitchen, it almost sends a chill down one's body to think that the co-founder of a business has gone to the board and said, this isn't the guy to lead this consequential technology.

And then they both left.

Later.

Quite a lot of these people leave, don't they?

Open AI.

These are the people that ended up working at...

And leaving.

And Ilya, he left and launched a company called Safe Superintelligence.