Steven Bartlett

There are some who try to be neutral, but even neutrality is hard to achieve now because—

A neutral investigation that turns up something bad about the Trump administration will immediately incur the reaction on the part, you know, you're biased.

We've lost our assumption that press are operating in good faith.

No.

No.

I mean, it's funny, when you said mainstream media, I don't even know who that is anymore.

But it's not so much about hearing from both sides.

It's about trying to establish what's true.

And so the job of what you do is a little bit different from what journalists do.

So journalists go into the world and they gather information and they – if they're good journalists, they try to figure out what actually happened.

And then they bring it back and they write it down or they make a video about it and they try and make sure that it's accurate, right?

And so if you're devoted to that project, then you seek to avoid political bias, but –

You know, inevitably, you might wind up saying the president is lying or the leader of the opposition is lying.

And then you're immediately, you know, in the world of people shouting at you and saying you're biased.

But I do feel that it's really important that this particular profession of the people who go into the world and try and establish reality, that it continues to exist.

I agree.

There needs to be a business model for that.

I mean, for democracy to exist, for an accurate and meaningful national conversation to exist, we need to have some people who are trying to figure out what's real.

Because, I mean, there is a danger that we go down a road in which, especially as AI develops and we get more and more of our information online, that we lose touch with reality.

Mm-hmm.