Steven Bartlett

So if you wanted to be a healthy person, but also a smoker, and I pointed out smoking's bad for you, the first words out of your mouth are going to be, yes, but smoking helps me with stress.

Yes, but I only do it when...

And I think, I don't know, I kind of see that at the moment because these companies have to raise extortionate, like huge amounts of money to fund their AI research and they're building out all of these data centers.

So when they're out in the public, they're always fundraising.

All of these major companies are fundraising all the time at the moment.

So you can't be fundraising and saying, I'm going to destroy your children's future.

Potentially there's 25% chance that your children aren't going to have a great life, which might be the truth.

He does that, but the others... Sam's not doing that as much anymore.

Do you think any of them are more... have a stronger moral compass than others?

Because I think Dario often gets the credit for having more of a... you know, more of a backbone and being more conscious of implications.

He's from Claude and Anthropic, for anyone that doesn't know.

Those people, they can go to the polls, right?

So if the public are sufficiently educated, they can go to the polls and pick a leader that says they're going to legislate or pass laws or try and pass laws.

I'm going to try and take on that point of view.

So this is me playing devil's advocate.

But Karen, if the US don't continue to accelerate their research with AI, at some point, China's model is going to become so smart and intelligent that we're basically going to have to rent it off them.

And we're going to be, you know, they'll get the scientific discoveries.

They'll discover the new era of autonomous weapons.

And we will be their backyard.

And like, logically...