Steven Bartlett

And if they want to ban Nazi symbols, I think they should be allowed to.

I mean, in America, that wouldn't work, you know, and you can't ban Nazi symbols in the United States.

But I don't see why America should impose its rules on Germany.

Like, doesn't Germany have sovereignty?

Doesn't Germany get to decide, you know, what the rules of its national conversation are?

And many people are.

If you spend any time on X, you will see it.

It's very hard to miss.

Sure, there's a difference between illegality and immorality.

And some, you know, historically, newspapers and other media have decided not to print racist material because it's immoral or because it's offensive.

Even social media platforms, I think, have a debate about how much ugly stuff they want to appear on their sites because if people see too much of it, they'll stop going on it.

I mean, I, you know, reduced my usage of Twitter because there was too much anti-Semitism and too much racism there.

And I didn't want to watch it anymore.

So, and I think many people, others have made the same decision.

You know, speech is a constant negotiation.

You know, what's acceptable, what's unacceptable.

And the norms do change over time.

I will agree to that.

What the autocrats try to do is something a little bit different.

It's not in this gray area of hate speech and free speech.