Steven Bartlett

It's controlling the system itself.

You know, what are the boundaries of what people can see?

What platforms they have access to?

So the Chinese don't really, you know, what they're interested in is, are you criticizing the Chinese Communist Party?

That's the fundamental thing that they're controlling for.

Where would you go and could you get a visa to go there?

The Chinese do leave.

Well, think about it.

I mean, this used to be a problem for people in the Soviet Union.

I mean, okay, theoretically you could leave.

You could get an exit passport.

I mean, I'm sure there are some restrictions on who's able to get passports and who isn't.

But say you were able to.

You'd need to go somewhere where you could get a visa, where you could work.

Mm-hmm.

where you could set up a life, where you speak the language, where it's reasonable to imagine you could stay there for a long time.

I mean, immigration, especially given languages and professional qualifications, so it is not always easy.

It's not always practical for everybody.

I mean, I have friends who are still – I have many friends who left Russia, but I have one or two friends who are still there.

And that's because they have aging relatives or because they don't speak any other languages and they don't feel they'd be at home anywhere else.