Steven Bartlett

Well, I think it's a good thing you're not taking it easy because you're leading a conversation, which is incredibly important.

And I think that's the thing.

I think the conversation is the important thing.

And so, you know, because of algorithms and echo chambers, it's so rare to have a conversation these days, especially a long form one like this.

So I think that's so important.

And your book is, for anyone that's curious about...

A lot of people would have learned a lot of stuff today because I sit here with and interview AI people all the time.

And I've learned so much today from reading your book and the extensive objective perspective that your book takes.

You're able to unravel all of these stories that we sometimes see in tweets and we don't know if they're true or not because you've gone and met the people and you've done your research and you're an incredibly intelligent person, extremely intelligent person who clearly has humanity's interests as your North Star.

And that shows up in everything you do and everything you say.

So please continue to fight in the way that you are

because it's an incredibly important one.

It's people like you that are, I think, galvanizing the world to take the collective action that we're starting to see everywhere.

Empire of AI, Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Holtman's Open AI by Karen Howe.

I'll link it below for anyone that wants to read this book.

I highly recommend you do.

It's a New York Times bestseller for good reason.

Karen, thank you.

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