Steven Bartlett

And I'm just a realist.

I'm not trying to be pessimistic or optimistic.

I think there's truth on both sides.

But Kevin, do you acknowledge that the jobs that we have today in large part are going to go away?

Just on this point, you mentioned Elon's pay packet.

Part of that is he gets that big payout if there are a million humanoid robots in very short order.

And when we think about who you might want to send to Mars, a super intelligent humanoid robot is probably much easier to send than a biological human being.

for various reasons to do with atmospheric pressure.

But if he's right on both counts, on both this journey to Mars and humanoid robots, presumably it'll be the humanoid robots going.

I just wanted, Kevin, can you tell me how you might be wrong?

I think that's quite important because I think it shows your ability to see both sides of the argument.

Is there a case where you could be wrong about this, about this unemployment issue?

Kevin, I spoke to Dara, the CEO of Uber, and I think I'm right in saying that driving is the biggest employer in the world.

And when I asked Dara, who's the CEO of Uber, if they're going to create autonomous vehicles very, very quickly to automate the 9.4 million driver jobs that they have, he said that they are.

And then I asked him the question, what will those 9.4 million people do?

And his response to me, the direct quote is he said, I don't know.

Which is pretty, pretty shocking.

He also noted that privately, he said, I have to be honest, AI will replace 9.4 million jobs at Uber.

Tech executives are not being transparent about AI.

They talk behind closed doors about the sheer amount of disruption they anticipate, but they don't talk about it publicly.