Steven Benson

That that's the thing.

I mean,

if you count the salaries and the marketing people, the salespeople, then it would be, then it's, you know, pretty expensive.

If you don't count those, then it's very cheap.

What's pretty expensive.

Um, I don't know the numbers exactly.

I'd have to write like a, it's, that's not really how I think about it.

How do you think about it?

Um, well, I basically think about it in terms of MRR growth and,

Am I spending an amount of money that keeps the bank account in the positive as opposed to the negative?

So I kind of spend what I have, I guess, in terms of marketing and sales.

I spend what I have budgeted to work with it.

On... I mean, probably... Well, including salaries or not including salaries?

Oh, just paid channel?

Oh, I probably...

probably 15 grand.

Salespeople, sales and marketing is the real, and mostly sales really is the biggest expense for the company.

And not to mention engineering, right?

Like the, that's the other half of the, of the cost, right?

That the, what you pay engineers ends up being real expensive and, and that's not marketing, but you kind of have to