Steven Holloway

We need to make it look good.

It's our first foray into visually led content.

What does that mean, visually led?

Well, we've been audio led for the majority of the time.

And now you're going to see us on your screens.

I don't think so.

I've been to a World Cup.

I've done that.

So been there.

Next question.

Yeah.

I mean, it helped we were in the door at TVNZ Plus through the Frank Podcast connection and our main episodes have been on there for a little while now, which is awesome.

And it made that conversation a lot smoother.

But, yeah, it's crazy how these things kind of just line up.

Yeah, without the six years and the 20 before that doing football stuff.

It's good stuff.

Like, it is good stuff.

I mean, we've also still got to deliver on our podcast at the same time.

So, like, that exercise of shifting and front-loading so that while we are away, the machine keeps ticking over has been – it's put a bit of pressure on us, but it's pretty clear, like, how we want to do it and what we want to do and how we go about doing it.

So, yeah, it's –