Steven Holloway

That is weird.

I'm talking to Gemma McCaw and her friend has been listening.

That's weird.

I, you know what, like I always, I have Mark Ellis' words bouncing around in my head a lot of the time where he talked about in our episode.

Well, he talked about riding the wave and knowing the right time to jump off the wave.

Are you getting off?

Well, I don't know.

You could have warned us this is a whole different show now.

Well, because I don't know whether that wave breaks.

or whether it just kind of goes into a different wave.

Like, yeah, I'm not sure.

I don't think I answered your question.

And in a way, the World Cup project's a really cool one because it's a feel-good one because, as Stephen said, that's where we started.

So the opportunity to have used this profile and the brand that we have built to then go and do something which we really enjoy and brings us joy, and hopefully that comes through in the final product back home as well, that it's like,

Well, that's just two fans that are at a World Cup that are reporting back on their experiences, which hopefully other people can do.

And it's a test case to see what we can do in other areas.

Like energised.

It's a new thing for us to do.

You're right.

It's a new challenge.